Podcast: Interview Dan Cable

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This podcast was recorded on June 7th of 2020

Today, I want to dive into a topic that’s close to my heart and essential for any thriving organization: transforming workplaces through the power of purpose and engagement. I had the pleasure of interviewing Dan Cable, author of “Alive at Work,” with insights and practical tips on how to create a more vibrant and proactive work environment.

 

The Journey into Psychology and Workplace Transformation

Let’s start with a bit of backstory. Dan’s journey into the field of psychology was serendipitous. He stumbled into a psychology class at university, and it opened up a new world for him. This resonates with me because, like Dan, many of us find our true calling by chance, guided by curiosity and a desire to make a meaningful impact.

Dan’s passion for improving work environments stems from a realization: people spend a significant portion of their lives at work. If we can make that time better, we can enhance their overall quality of life. This idea evolved over decades, shifting from a focus on industrial psychology to a more human-centric approach.

 

Understanding Learned Helplessness

One of the most profound concepts Dan shared is learned helplessness. This idea, originally researched by Martin Seligman, reveals how repeated negative experiences can lead to a state of apathy and disengagement. Imagine starting your career full of ideas and enthusiasm, only to be repeatedly punished for taking initiative. Over time, you’d learn that nothing you do matters, leading to a sense of helplessness.

In the workplace, this translates to employees who have been conditioned to avoid taking risks and to stick to repetitive tasks. Overcoming this requires creating an environment where people feel safe to experiment and innovate.

 

Activating the Best Self

One powerful tool to combat learned helplessness and ignite engagement is the Best Self exercise. I’ve seen firsthand how transformative this can be. Picture this: a team that has been in a culture of “just tell me what to do” for years walks into a room filled with fun posters and themes. We start by asking them to reflect on moments when they felt truly alive and effective. The energy shift is immediate and palpable.

In one session, after sharing their stories, participants brainstormed hashtags that captured their essence. One person, for example, came up with #makesotherpeopleshine. It was a moment of collective validation and excitement, and the room erupted in applause. The power of this exercise lies in its ability to connect people to their personal purpose and strengths, which in turn fuels their engagement and enthusiasm.

 

The Challenges of Transformation

Transforming an organization isn’t easy. It requires aligning various elements such as purpose, employee and customer experience, and digital transformation. You need so many different pieces of the puzzle to click together at the same time. It’s not something you can plan rigidly; it needs a smart, organic roadmap.

A key insight from our discussion is that even the budgeting process in organizations can be a barrier to agile transformation. Traditional budgets are built around predictability and long-term planning, which doesn’t align well with the need for flexibility and rapid adaptation. The outside world is changing faster than ever, and our internal processes need to keep pace.

 

Personalized Purpose

Another crucial element we touched on is personalized purpose. Abstract mission statements often fail to resonate emotionally with employees. Instead, leaders should help employees connect their daily tasks to a broader impact. It’s about finding a story that makes their work feel meaningful and important.

For instance, in my role, I do a lot of grading. On the surface, it’s repetitive and not very exciting. But when I think about it as giving feedback that helps others become better leaders and make a difference in the world, it transforms the task into something purposeful. Leaders need to facilitate this kind of reframing for their teams.

 

Embracing Humble Leadership

A shift towards humble and servant leadership is essential. Traditional leadership models emphasize control and having all the answers. However, today’s fast-changing environment demands leaders who facilitate and empower their teams. It’s about creating a culture where leaders don’t need to have all the answers but instead support their teams in finding solutions.

Dan shared how Satya Nadella transformed Microsoft by shifting from a know-it-all to a learn-it-all culture. This approach encourages continuous learning and adaptation, which is critical for staying relevant and competitive.

 

Practical Steps for Transformation

So, how can we put these ideas into practice? Here are a few steps based on our conversation:

  1. Start with the Best Self Exercise: Implement this exercise in your team meetings or onboarding processes. It’s a simple yet powerful way to connect employees to their purpose and strengths.
  2. Encourage Experimentation: Create a safe environment where employees feel comfortable taking risks and trying new things. Celebrate their efforts, even if they don’t always succeed.
  3. Personalize Purpose: Help employees find meaning in their tasks by connecting them to a broader impact. This can be done through storytelling and regular reflection exercises.
  4. Adopt Humble Leadership: Shift from a control-based leadership style to one that empowers and supports your team. Focus on removing roadblocks and facilitating learning and growth.
  5. Align Processes with Agility: Reevaluate your budgeting and planning processes to ensure they support flexibility and rapid adaptation. Encourage a culture of continuous improvement and learning.

 

The New Normal: A Purpose-Driven Workplace

As we navigate the post-COVID world, there’s a growing recognition that the old ways of working no longer suffice. The new normal should embrace purpose-driven practices that activate the best in people. When employees are engaged and connected to their purpose, they become proactive, innovative, and committed to the organization’s success.

Let’s put more living into life, both at work and beyond. By fostering a culture of engagement and purpose, we can create workplaces where people thrive and, in turn, drive the organization forward. The journey might be challenging, but the rewards are immense.

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